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  1. God I love Portland. Here is a video that with a little tweaking, could make a great start for an episode of the show Portlandia. Because despite all the growth and gentrification over the recent years, Portland is still weird at heart. This post/thread is inspired by Paul Levy's articles, especially this one on Phillip K. Dick, the Black Iron Prison, and Wetiko. Reading this led me to discover a new sense of optimism in these dire times. This is going to be a work in progress. I've thought about doing this post for weeks, and I've hardly written a thing. So instead of working on it for several more weeks and posting a giant "wall of text" as I have sometimes done, I plan to do it in smaller installments, and answer specific questions one by one. 1) What is "wetiko" as described by Paul Levy and how does it correspond to Phillip K. Dicks descriptions of the Black Iron Prison (hereafter referred to as PKD and BIP.) and the RIGHT virus of William S. Burroughs? 2) What is the Divine Conspiracy? 3) This optimism I feel recently does not rely on ordinary knowing, or conditions of physical reality. It relies on a different type of knowing. You have to ____ to know. You can't read about it and know it. You have to do something. What do you have to do? 4) What is this non-local source of ebullient optimism, and how did my optimism get supported and amplified when I personally met Paul Levy and shared personal lucid dreaming stories with him? 5) What does the prayer of space have to do with all this, and what is the prayer of space? So getting started with wetiko, this is a native American term. Paul Levy describes wetiko as "collective psychosis", a parasitical mind virus that appears to be rushing the human race toward suicidal mass destruction. With probably very few exceptions, we are all wetiko. See the above video for Paul's description. tbc
  2. I just watched Jim and Andy, The Great Beyond, on Netflix. Jim Carrey has been agressively touting his supposed awakenings recently in interviews. I found it annoying but I’ve now started to reconsider after the Jim and Andy doc. I see a parallel to Shingon Buddhism in his acting. He claims to have entered an ongoing state of no-self. Buddhists sometimes call it Nirodha. He says he found his way into this no-self state through immersion in his acting roles. You can see in this Jim and Andy documentary that Jim did fully immerse himself in the role of Andy Kaufman. He he almost broke the movie by staying in the Andy personna or his Tony Clifton personna at all times. 2 In Shingon Buddhism you assume the personna of a god or archetype. You imagine it visually, physically, and mentally. So for Jim, he makes himself look like Andy Kaufman. Jim sees himself as Andy. Jim embodies Andy in his posture and movements and voice. Then he thinks like Andy, replacing the Jim Carrey thought stream with the imagined Andy Kaufman internal dialogue. All of these steps occur in Shingon Buddhism. By doing this process with different gods or archetypes, the practitioner of Shingon Buddhism sees through the various personnas, and realizes no-self. The same thing may have happened with Carrey. He realized the Jim Carrey personna was no more real than the other personnas, and he dropped out of playing Jim Carrey. He apparently has also tried DMT or some other hallucinogens. Looking at his blank expression as he talks, I see an emptiness behind his eyes. He somehow now reminds me of Charles Manson. Anyway he keeps saying there’s nobody home, and I don’t think this some publicity stunt or even a Kaufmanesqe perfomance art thing. But he could be faking it for some reason. Also he could just be broken inside, and in a disassociative state. Or he could be in Nirodha. No self sense. No problems. What do you think?
  3. In Of course! Thank you! That’s what I needed! I just need to lift my eyes and see how wetiko manifests in my life. The core problem and the solutions (in deeds) are directly in front of me. I need to get back to work.
  4. It's one of the most fun and silly of all the Marvel Comics movies, so I had a great time seeing it in the theater. Also Led Zeppelin music is rarely permitted in movies, and this is the best use of their music I have seen. I've been thinking about this movie for days. Maybe I'm being goofy and projecting my thoughts into a silly movie. But I'm OK with that. The profound parts: 1) Shitty dad syndrome with Odin as the shitty father to 2 out of 3 fucked up offspring. Yet Thor discovers his true power through his father's wisdom. Edit: I didn't really say what made Odin a shitty dad- because he seems sort of OK to his sons in the movie, BUT- In the past, Odin used his daughter Hela as his ally to conquer other realms and establish his dominion over 8 realms. When Hela wanted to conquer #9 realm, (if memory serves) Odin disagreed, so he imprisoned her for eons. Kind of a dick move 2) The resolution of Ragnarok (Armageddon), gives us a lesson in that we can survive and thrive even if our civilization is destroyed. 3) Evil in the family. Not evil as entirely "other" , but Thor has to deal with an evil brother and evil sister. Because of Thor's compassion and love for his evil brother Loki, Loki redeems himself and does the right thing for his brother and for his people. so there is a lesson in that for all of us. With Thor's other evil sibling my metaphor for transforming evil through love does not quite fit. He does not love his evil sister, Hela, and so he destroys her. 4) My favorite and the one I have thought about the most is this: The true role of evil (Hela) behind the false ceiling facade in the cathedral. That evil had a role to play in the evolution of Asgard, but they don't want to acknowledge that. Just as most countries cover up their evil history with the facade of official history, and most religions do not acknowledge the necessity of evil and conflict in the world. Evil is an essential component for the development of good, as Paul Levy elucidates using the Kaballah in this long essay, which I have excerpted: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/the-kabbalahs-remarkable-idea/ One of the striking features in the Kabbalah’s account of the origin of evil is that, unlike the Biblical myth, whose notion of the Fall of Humanity is attributed to a human act as described in the Garden of Eden story, the Kabbalah sees the origin of evil as an inescapable feature of the very process of cosmogenesis itself. Instead of seeing evil as existing outside of God, the Kabbalists saw evil as an essential component of the deity, woven into the very fabric of creation. From the point of view of the Kabbalah, evil issues forth from God himself, originating in the very heart of divinity, and is a logically necessary consequence of the very act of creation itself. In the earliest Kabbalistic writings it says “The Holy One praised be He has a trait which is called Evil.”[iv] From the Kabbalah’s point of view, to deny evil its rightful place in the cosmos is to do away with the Good as well. To quote Sanford L. Drob, author of Symbols of the Kabbalah: Philosophical and Psychological Perspectives, “Evil is to creation, and the individual finite existence that is creation’s very essence, as the outside of a container is to the space it contains.”[v] To one-sidedly strive after good and unilaterally reject and exclude evil would be like trying to grasp the container without taking hold of the boundary which defines it. It is an age-old, archetypal idea, expressed in both alchemy and Gnosticism, that light is to be found hidden within the darkness, which suggests that evil is connected to the process of redemption and individuation. Jung comments, “that not only darkness is known through light, but that, conversely, light is known through darkness.”[xiii] According to the Kabbalah, the extraction of the light requires an acknowledgement of, and sojourn into the realm of darkness, which psychologically speaking, can be thought of as making a descent into the underworld of the unconscious and coming to terms with our base desires, what in Kabbalah is referred to as a “descent on behalf of the ascent.” Going inward is going upward in consciousness, dimensionally speaking. This descent always involves a coming to terms with the “shadow” of ourselves (which has both a personal, as well as transpersonal/archetypal component). Our totality must include a dark side if we are to be whole. Jung writes, “Where there is no shadow, there is no light.”[xiv] By entering the dark realm of the unconscious, we are offered the possibility of refining ourselves as if in a crucible, as if the shadow-world of the unconscious is a divine furnace of purification. If we fail to take into account the shadow aspect of ourselves, we are unwittingly feeding it, increasing its power over us; if we don’t acknowledge and see our darkness, we deliver ourselves into its hands. From the Kabbalistic point of view, evil brings into the world the possibility of choosing between sin and virtue, which is to say that evil is the very origin of the possibility of the highest good. Freedom of choice is a necessary postulate for responsibility, morality and the creation of values. Evil becomes the condition for free choice, and hence, the condition for the full realization of good. As if the revelation of everything is through its opposite, an idea is only complete when it reveals its opposite to be inextricably linked to its very significance, e.g., darkness is only known through light, just as light is only known through darkness. According to the Kabbalah, the world and the soul of humanity are partly immersed in the “Other Side,” which is to say that the evil impulse can’t be banished, but needs to be harnessed for the good. To quote Jung, “You can’t reject evil because evil is the bringer of light.” .... Only in an evil and tragic world can compassion and kindness be most fully realized. Jung succinctly expresses this realization when he writes, “The evil one is holy.”[xvii] This is not to justify, sanction or condone evil, but rather, to contextualize it. The chaos and negativity that resulted from the Breaking of the Vessels was, for the Kabbalists, the inevitable result of, and the price to be paid for, the infinite taking on finite form, of divine unity giving itself over to distinction, individuality and freedom. From the Kabbalistic point of view, evil is created by and for freedom, and it is only through freedom by which it can be overcome. We, by our very choices, are actively participating in creating (in my language, “dreaming up”) the archetypal process of either feeding the kelipot and their resultant evil or denying them their food in each and every moment by feeding awareness instead. Once we cultivate the compassion that is at the root of this process, the evil impulse─“yetzer ha-ra”─within us is not, like in the psychological process of sublimation, merely redirected while the underlying drive is left essentially unchanged; rather, the redirection implied by this process elevates and alchemically transforms the evil urge into “yetzer ha-tov,” the impulse for good. It is the creative tension between these two primordial urges within us that supplies the energy for humanity to potentially connect with our true power and exercise the divine gift of genuine freedom. For the Kabbalists, the good that we are capable of in our personal life issues forth, and is functionally related to the evil inclination within us; which is to say that the energy that is animating the evil impulse can potentially be channeled to inspire the good. The greater our evil impulse, the greater our potential for good.
  5. Moon farm! I love that idea! The vamps could dome cap a crater and keep slave humans to grow food in the moon farm. The humans eat the food and the vamps feed off the humans. It’s a win-win.
  6. You’re making good points and asking good questions. I don’t have answers yet but I’ll keep these points in mind as I continue to read Paul’s book. The part of my mind that loves conpiracy theories likes this idea that reading about wetiko and contemplating wetiko will not help free us from wetiko but only drag us further under it’s spell. Then Paul, in trying to save the world from wetiko, becomes the biggest ally of wetiko. And shit, his book is 300 pages! Does it need to be that long? Maybe I should stop reading it...
  7. Obbiously they can only live on the dark side of the moon because they have the worst sun allergies ever.
  8. Maybe try some Steve and Eydie this Christmas.
  9. The yime has come again for Christmas decorating including Satanic nativity scenes. Or in this case, snaketivity
  10. Well done, stinky.
  11. Thanks. Yes, Paul Levy owes a lot to Jung and he shows his appreciation frequently in his writings. http://www.awakeninthedream.com/the-world-is-psyche/
  12. Thanks. I found the disfunction in that video entertaining. Hippies trying to do a TV show and cope with technology. What you say about wetiko is partly true. But I think it’s more complex than you’ve portrayed it. When the honkies from Europe came to this country, I think the Indians already had the word for wetiko and the lore about it. They recognized that wetiko was a problem in their own culture. The advantage they had over the honkies is that they had a name for it. If you can name a demon, or a phenomena, it gives you a bit of leverage over it. So the Indians had wetiko but it was not rampant (like it was with the European conquerors) and it was not completely unconscious. They had an understanding of it, and talked about it. Here I agree with @Thinkstoomuchas he said esentially the same thing. This is tricky stuff @Promethea , because wetiko manifests differently in each person. I pointed to Trump earlier, and I think he’s still a good example, but it could also be raging inside a hippie earth loving progressive. Grandiosity or malignant egophrenia can manifest in all kinds of people. Another tricky part of wetiko is that it feeds off of divisive polarity thinking. So if we think of the native americans living free of wetiko, and the Europeans totally under the spell of wetiko, then we are already under the influence of wetiko. We have to stay clear of that kind of either-or thinking. Wetiko exists on a continuum. If I think, “Trump is infected by wetiko, I am not.” then that leaves an opening for Wetiko to grow in me. Here is where the work of dispelling wetiko happens. Not in seeing it as only “out there” and fighting it out there but by looking for it also in myself. Wetiko acts like a mind parasite or virus. Best to assume thet eveyone is infected. I know i get grandiose sometimes . I still remember when pumpy told me that my grandiosity was hilarious ro him. I don’t even know how to evaluate a question like “Is Trump more infected than me?” How do I evaluate the extent of my blind spots? Some of the work of dispelling wetiko lies in pointing out the blind spots of my friends, and asking them to do the same for me. To the extent that we can do that, we wake each other up, and function as bodisatvas. Not in some grand sense, or part of some heroic enlightenment , but the ordinary here and now. We become bodisatvas for each other, and help each other evolve. How does wetiko function? . Paul Levy doesn’t say we create our reality. He says we co-create it. We dream it up, together with all our co-dreamers. Individually, though, we do create our ( experience of reality.) Here is my take on Paul’s model: This drawing works as a symbolic representation of the way we create our experience of reality. This is a “strange loop”. It portrays the ongoing feedback loop of projection/perception. We each project our representation of reality, moment by moment, and those projections feed back through our perceptual system, confirming our model, which we project back into the field, and so on. In doing this we create our sense of separate identity. “I” see “it”. Wetiko insinuates itself into this feedback loop. Distorting projections and perceptions, enhancing the sense if i/it separation, and creating a false self that serves the agenda of wetiko. Wetiko does not “want” you to understand the i/it connection. It “wants” you to believe that the I is completly separated from the it, the other. That all our problems come from outside ourselves, then we can cast blame, and avoid taking responibility for how we experience our problems. Wetiko is real, but not in the same way a chair is real. More like the way friendship is real. Each friendship is different. You can’t put one in a laboratory and examine it. Same with wetiko. Maybe even less real than friendship. IDK. I’ve just begun to check this out. Anyway, It affects everyone differently. You work in the medical field. How do you deal with a disease that is non-existant in 3d spacetime and that presents with a different symptom picture for each human?
  13. Good thread. I just listened to a great interview over on buddhist Geeks with one on the lucky participants of the John Hopkins study on psilocybin.
  14. Exactly. We’ve stumbled into paradise. Forget about fixing or improving it. The forum is right-sizing itself and is almost perfect.
  15. @Pollen right on. Thank you for the video. I’ll check out Robert Moore’s work. I just started reading Paul Levy’s Wetiko book, so I’m not ready to comment about that, but Paul has indicated that he tried to map out wetiko in as many ways as he could. So he writes about it from the Buddhist perspective, the Christian perspective, the Native American perspective etc. etc. Moore in that video calls it Grandiose Exibitionistic Libido. Levy calls it Malignant Egophrenia, or ME disease. It reminds me of comedian Brian Regans bit about the “me monster”. Whatever you call it, Trump definitely personifies it. In fact I can’t imagine anyone doing a better job of showing Americans, and the world, what unbridled Wetiko looks like than Trump. In that way, he may be helping us.
  16. Some evidence indicates otherwise. He may not have killed anyone personally, but was part of an mkUltra program that went sideways. case closed
  17. yes Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and falsify until the bare lies shine through
  18. I love Thanksgiving. It's good to see what you have to be thankful for.
  19. Hey, glad to hear about your recent break up on podcast 265! Four years and done! Way to go man! Every breakup has a blessing in it somewhere. You spotted it early on and saved yourself a shit-ton of grief and pain. That's alchemy, pal. Or denial. jk
  20. @mike why not change the thread title then? Yur the silly goose! All of the many chess players on this forum have no reason to click on this thread. This thread...
  21. Perhaps, but what made the formerly straight-on evil Loki, decide to do the right thing and help his brother and Asgard? I'm interested in that transition. Because we could anticipate that Hela's henchman might turn on her because of all the reluctance and side glances he was showing. But if there was a similar change for Loki it was not telegraphed so obviously. I noticed another bonding moment when Thor told the story about how, when Thor and Loki were children, Loki took the form of a snake, which Thor began to play with because Thor loved snakes, then the snake transformed back into Loki and stabbed his brother. Loki smiled and chuckled a little at the memory of those good times. A few of those bonding moments with Thor might have brought out the compassion in Loki.
  22. @euchrid Here are a couple of my favorite videos so far, being two of the most conversational. The cornerstones of his work are wetiko and his dreamgroups. His dreamgroups are novelty engines for alchemical awakening wherein everyone acts as though they are in a shared dream. So you relate to each person as a dream character in your dream, and also hold the position that you are a dream character in each other person’s dream. This provides a model for seeing the projective parts of our perceptual field, including all the shadow stuff we project into the world. I have not seen a model for awakening and evolution like this anywhere before. My computer has one foot in the grave now or I would say more.
  23. Ha- it said you posted this twice but there's no other thread about chess. I have chess.com app and I'm registered as monkey-mine there but I usually play on chesstime. I like to give myself a week to make a move, so I can fit in games whenever I have spare time.
  24. @tyqo , it must be how I'm wired. I'm looking at my reality as a symbolic environment lately. And I like nerding out over film analysis, or listening to director commentaries ( miss that since I rarely watch movies on DVD anymore) . I can spend hours on youtube watching brain candy like this and not feel any guilt. This is a part one of a 3 hour Jordan Peterson lecture based on the movie "Lion King". I watched that movie many times with my kids and never realized the hidden depths of that movie. So if a kids cartoon movie can carry all that meaning, I'm open to any movie carrying hidden meanings. Whether the filmmakers did it consciously or not, I have no idea, and it does not matter to me. I take meaning where I find it. Also I know whatever I do notice something in a movie, I'm missing something else. That's how attention works. I loved the Grandmaster, a perfect role for Jeff Goldblum. The rock guy felt like a comic relief character in a movie that was already a comedy, but he did make me lol a couple times. The director knew what he was doing. I did not even notice the movie score, other than the Immigrant Song, which puzzles me now, since I found out Mark Mothersbaugh did the music. I like his music, and I usually notice a soundtrack when I watch a movie. @Rokazulu It's nice to think we could start fresh in space, with a new constitution but I don't think that planning will stop us from l dragging all of our human problems into Asgardia.